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El Scorchio 12:34 Thu Apr 6
What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

Is it that the players simply aren't good enough, (barring one or two) or is it that they are not organised, coached and prepared well enough?

What's the consensus?

Sniper 12:41 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

Coaching for me

We overachieved last season but the players we've got shouldn't be gifting goals and capitulating so easily. They also shouldn't be hitting carrolls head from 40 yards every time we get the ball

w4hammer 12:43 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

players arent good enough; poorly coached; poor execution on the park

Look at last night- I always scream " west ham head" every time we get a deadball- i swear we never actually won a header last night against a poor arsenal backline- desperate delivery, no invention. The easiest team to defend against- the easiest side to score against

Lee Trundle 12:44 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

We need something that improves our fitness levels, that's for sure.

Probably a bit too late for this season though.

grasshopper 12:45 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

Coaching excluding fonte, snodgrass, calleri, zaza, tore, who are just absolute toilet

Nagel 12:54 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

We relied a lot on team spirit last year. Players seemed more focused and confident and never gave up. Getting in a dozen new first teamers since last summer wasn't going to help that, especially as none of them improved the first 11. Mardy cunts like Payet wouldn't have helped the situation, nor the shit new stadium.

Bilic reminds me of Pardew - a motivational rather than tactical manager - which tends to mean you get great patches of form and really poor ones, and if the rot sets in it's really hard to get out of it.

Alex V 12:55 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

Not sure what is meant by 'players' in this context. Are a bunch of the players very limited or not good enough? Probably. Are they deliberately not trying? Very unlikely. And ultimately it all comes down to coaching - the aim of the coaching is to make the players perform.

I do think a major issue is the way the players have been utilised. Kouyate has not hit the heights this season but he is playing a different role each week - that's poor organisation, not directly the player or the coaching. Nordtveit was not a good right back, but I'm not sure that's down to anything other than him not really being suited to that role. I'm still wondering if Byram is really a right back at all. There's some evidence of Fernandes improving this season, but if he's never selected to start matches he can't contribute more than the cameos he's given.

I also think we have a bunch of players with limitations - that's just poor squad management over years to blame I think. Carroll only plays well a certain way - that's just what we end up with by relying on him. I don't think you could reinvent Collins at that age. Ayew just doesn't have a positional sense - at 27 I doubt that's about to emerge from him. Reid is not a great ball player and never will be. There's basically a bunch of longstanding issues with players in the squad - I think the club has been a bit complacent in not pushing for better. We end up where we are by bad design.

Tomshardware 1:20 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

I disagree with this notion that Carroll can only play a certain way, he's better than that. We have some good players but Bilic has chopped and changed all season also making some odd selections. There seems to be a lack of organisation and shape in matches.

Conceding goals has been a problem under bilic, 108 goals conceded in 69 games.

Pub Bigot 1:32 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

I don't think we have a bad squad as far as talent goes, attitude I altogether a different question. But Bilic and his methods needs questioning, because at present they're poor

Mad Dog 1:48 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

players or coaching?

yes.

players are shit (especially all the fucking useless cunts we've bought in last 2 transfer windows).
the training is legendary in terms of ineptitude. it always has been.

the fact that it's been commentated on by several... including our own fucking gaffer is outrageous. we can't match opposition in terms of fitness or intensity.

fucking shambles.

special mention to the cockwomble board for not getting a decent striker in leaving us short ALL season.

El Scorchio 1:49 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

It's the way they often look so clueless and lost both in defence and going forward which suggests to me it's an organisational and preparation thing.

We haven't seemed to have any game plan going forward this season at all, and there's no-one making intelligent movement or finding space and pulling opposing teams out of position. We're not going forward with any speed and often there's not a single player making themselves available within 15-20 yards of the player in possession.

We seem to rely entirely on Lanzini conjouring a mazy run around 3 players to give us decent numbers, or having Antonio run the length of the pitch with the ball and hope he either scores himself or someone can keep up with him to receive a pass. We have Carroll, but we so rarely cross the ball from open play- either from the byline or diagonally from deeper.

What's key is none of the players seem to know what their team mates are actually going to do at any point.

chelmsfordhammer 1:55 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

I don't accept that all the players we've signed are shit and I don't accept that some of the players that played so well last season have turned shit over the summer so for me its down to the coaching as is the disorganisation of the defence and the team looking knackered with 20 minutes to go.

Just playing players in their natural positions could be a good place to start with the coaching improving.

Russ of the BML 2:07 Thu Apr 6
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Baggins nailed it on another thread. We don't know what we are.

We have a counter attacking set up with no pace and poor defenders. End of.

It's a shambles. And I take no credit for that, as I said, Baggins nailed it.

Although I added you either change your way of playing to suit your player sor you ship them out and get new in. Seeing as we can't do that now is it time for a change to the way we play. 4-4-2 anyone?

Problem is now any change is potentially deadly as we have no breathing space.

Russ of the BML 2:08 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

I mean, do you change what the players know but can't achieve. Or do you stick and hope that they fucking get it? Running out of games now and if we lose to Swansea on Saturday then I think we will go down.

Your mum 2:11 Thu Apr 6
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It's a culmination of most things being shit at the same time, players, manager, coaches, owners, stadium, fans, all shit.

HairyHammer 2:16 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

I think both the coaching and players have not been up to scratch, did Bilic tell his players to stand off of Leicester players in that terrible 8 minutes but they did, add to that many lack lustre performances too, and Slavs substitutions and constant playing of players in not their actual position is ridiculous.too.
Poor from both Manager and players .

HairyHammer 2:21 Thu Apr 6
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I also agree with Baggins and Russ whenever you watch West ham they do not have a clue what they are meant to do they always look confused, where as other teams set up is constant and every player knows their job inside out.

DJH 2:26 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

The club has no structure, so either you continue to spend to compensate for that or you put one in place which it seems our owners are unwilling or incapable of doing.

The manager either has overall control of everything football wise at a club or you have a coach who works with what he is given, for me Bilic was never good enough to be the former and the players overall are not good enough to suit Bilic's style management for the latter to be a long term success.

I don't think Bilic has anything like the control of the footballing side as we are led to believe, at best I reckon he identifies positions that need strengthening and may recommend some players but ultimately someone else is doing the recruiting, so it is fine saying Bilic has the final say but if the standard of recruitment is the likes of Byram and Hogan then it is pretty much Hobson's choice for him.

Therefore we need to recruit better or put in a proper structure throughout the club otherwise we will always be a bad transfer window away from struggle.

Stranded 2:36 Thu Apr 6
Re: What is the cause of our on field problems? Players or coaching?

Both. Some of them aren’t up to standard. But with those that are, Bilic has a lot to answer for in regards to formations, tactics, substitutions, general mentality etc. Equally, the players are all professionals, and very well rewarded for it. So unless his instruction to them is a strict “Shit yourself and play like you don’t know how to” some of them need to be taking a long hard look in the mirror.

camel-with-3-humps 3:05 Thu Apr 6
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Can't defend, players are lazy, no tactical direction, midfield with less pace than a one-legged tortoise with cramp.

Slav is to blame. A mumbling wreck that should have been sacked after the 3 - 0 Southampton home loss. He is the gangrenous leg that needs to be chopped and only then can we finally limp away from relegation.

Sniper 3:19 Thu Apr 6
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We may not have world beating players but the likes of Reid, ogbonna, fonte, Antonio, obiang, lanzini, Carroll, ayew and cresswell would get in most teams in the league. We aren't full of shittybchampionship quality players like Sunderland or boro. And though we haven't signed amazing players, snodgrass has proven himself at two other clubs in this league so he's not out of his depth. Bilic just seems to have no clue how to set his team up to get the best out of his players.

You have two options as a manager - pick a formation that suits the players you have or pick the way you you want to play and buy players to fill the gaps you've got. We don't even seem to know what we are doing in any game, and even down to continual nonsense of playing Antonio and ayew on the wrong flanks or lanzini on the wing are just pure nonsense

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